NMD 07 Answers Points of discussion

NMD 07 Answers

NMD 07 Answers Revelation 7

NMD 07 Answers Revelation 7

On this page, NMD 07 answers to points of discussion, you can find the possible answers to the questions of study page NMD 07 Rev 7 in the Mean Time 1. These answers can be discussion points for a study group. If you have any questions, please mail to Hans: nmd@bgimmanuel.nl

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The points of discussion are listed in the table below and are consecutively numbered from 1,2 etc.  These points can be seen as a short summary of parts in the study, which are in sequential order.  The answers are practically the full texts, which are given in the study.  The added drawings are meant as reference points in this study.

 

NMD 07 Answers Points of discussion

Points of discussion of NMD 07 Revelation 7 Sealed and the Great Mulitude
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1 What comfort picture does John see in chapter 7 and why did the angels have to wait in Rev 7:3?

Answer:
In this chapter a comfort picture is given for those who stayed behind and turned to God. These people are accepted by Him with mercy.
There is even a pause in the worst judgements in verse 3 for the other angels to “put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God”. That gives time for the people to turn to God.

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Who are, for the first time, actively involved with the execution of the judgements in Rev 7:1-2 and what does it mean “holding back the four winds on earth” for mankind?

Answer:
Four angels are ordered to hold back the four winds of the earth. We see here for the first time, that angels play an active role in the events of the end time. Maybe these four angels are the first angels blowing the trumpets that we will soon see in Revelation 8. Angels play a much larger role than most people realise. We need to be aware that there are in the invisible world around us a large multitude of serving creatures, who are silent and can move with the speed of light.
We don’t know what the purpose is of holding back the four winds on earth. Will there be a period of complete calm? Maybe it is good just to realise what that means. Nowadays in some parts of the world sometimes there is hardly any wind and immediately there is smog, dust, stench etc.
Or is it a silence after the storm that revelation 6 has stirred up? Maybe a time to slow down, to have a moment to think about what has happened and to consider the consequences. Or is it a calm before the storm, because later, in Revelation 8, comes another intensive series of judgements.

3 Who is under control in Rev 7:3 and what must be done first?

Answer:
In verse 3 first the ‘servants of our God must be sealed’ on their foreheads. Another clear sign of who is in control. A seal was in the old times a sign of ownership.
If someone for example bought a barrel of grain, he then put his seal on it to indicate that, that barrel is his. It is the same for those who come to believe, they are the ownership of the Lord. Please read 2Co 1:22 and Eph 1:13.

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NMD 07 Answers - Revelation 7 Meantime 1 Sealed

NMD 07 Answers – Revelation 7 Meantime 1 Sealed

Who are the sealed 144,000?

Answer:
For the many interpreters it is impossible that the 144,000 represents the Christian Church, the spiritual Israel. If it is all meant to be figuratively why would the list of the 12 tribes of Israel be mentioned?
I am convinced, together with the author of No More Delay, that we are right in saying that these are the tribes of Israel, especially because this part is immediately followed by the text of a Great Multitude standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. If the church claims to be the spiritual Israel, who are and from where does the Great Multitude come?
So again, take the text literally and follow the book of Revelation chronologically as it is written.

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In the book of Revelation, numbers are often used in a symbolic meaning, why couldn’t that be the case here with the 144,000 sealed?

Answer:
In the book of Revelation, numbers are often used in a symbolic meaning. The numbers 7, 10, 12, are often mentioned in the Bible, sometimes its symbolic meaning is immediately explained. In particular with the number of 144,000 one can see a completion in the combination of 12 * 12 * 1.000.
However in this part, there is no clear indication that we are dealing with symbolism. So one can not deny others from taking these numbers as they are written, so 12 named tribes each 12.000 sealed from Israel.

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Which tribe is missing on the enumeration of the tribes of Israel and which tribe comes in its place? Is that missing tribe completely dismissed by God?

Answer:
There is something significant when looking at the 12 tribes of Israel. The tribe of Dan is missing replaced by the tribe of Manasseh. However, it is not so strange to see Manasseh in between the sons of Jacob as by the sin of Reuben the birth right of Reuben is passed over to the sons of Joseph, Ephraim and Manasseh, as is written in Genesis 48:5b: “Ephraim and Manasseh will be mine, just as Reuben and Simeon are mine”.
The tribe of Dan has not entirely been dismissed by God. Even though his name is missing under the “Sealed ones” in Revelation 7, he has been given a place in the land of Israel during the 1,000 year peace. What remains is the answer to the question “why is he left out”? The last words of Jacob were very peculiar as is written in Genesis 49:17, where it says: “Dan will be a serpent by the roadside, a viper along the path, that bites the horse’s heels so that its rider tumbles backwards.”

7 How is the time of Israel, described in Rev 7, also called in the old Testament?

Answer:
It is a blessing that through this Great Tribulation still 144,000 people from Israel are willing to follow Christ and accept the consequences of following Him. The Bible calls this time in Jeremiah 30:7 “It will be a time of trouble for Jacob but he will be saved out of it”. They belong to the faithful remnant which has been under Israel for all ages.

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NMD 07 Answers - Revelation 7:9 Great Multitude

NMD 07 Answers – Revelation 7:9 Great Multitude

How are the people called in the second part of Rev 7, where do they come from and are they welcome?

Answer:
John is barely over understanding the impressive group of 144,000, when his eyes saw a Great Multitude in which the number of 144,000 evaporated. This multitude is not from one nation but from all nations, tribes, people and languages. That will suddenly have caused quite a noise in the heaven! Really it is one big crowd standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb having a big celebration.

9  Who are these people, from which time do they come and do they come from the Church?

Answer:
Very often this Great Multitude, which no man could count, is explained as the church believers from all ages who are oppressed and persecuted for their faith. A number of facts from this part of the Bible is resisting this opinion. I would like to explain this in more detail.
Just imagine that this point of view is correct, then many people from the time of John would undoubtedly have been amongst this Great Multitude due to the enormous persecution taking place at that time. John would have recognised some of them especially giving his age.
John is apparently embarrassed about who these people are. One of the elders at the throne of God asked him in verse 13 expressly: “These in white robes – who are they, and where did they come from?” John did not know the answer. This Great Multitude is an unknown crowd for him. However, he is curious as to who they actually are because he says: “Sir, you know.”.
In which the elder says in verse 14 that they come out of the Great Tribulation. That is a clear statement, both in terms of position and time. They do not come from the Church of all times, but especially from that time, which here is referred to as the Great Tribulation.

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What is the difference between the believers from the days of grace and the believers from the Great Tribulation?

Answer:
This Great Multitude apparently only came to believe in Jesus, during this period of the Great Tribulation and should therefore not be confused with believers who were Raptured at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. The Raptured Church is not a part of the Great Tribulation as John had seen these represented by the elders themselves in Rev 4:1.
It is gratifying to know that in these days and age so many people have found faith in Jesus, despite all the suffering endured and finally death as a result of which this Great Multitude comes to its heavenly glory. We are lucky to live in the days of grace in which we are free to go to Jesus and confess our faith in Him. In the time of the Great Tribulation that will be different.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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